Pacifica Forum... Near Collapse?

The noted hate group Pacifica Forum met again in the Downtown Baker Center- this week was Jimmy Marr presenting his third video ‘why the holocaust didn’t happen, because of detail inaccuracies between sources’ and true to form like all good conspiracy videos, told in a monotonous monotone voice. After listing their arguments, I will begin deconstructing them.

Summary: The holocaust didn’t happen, the gas chambers were a lie. The Nuremberg trials were a farce because the numbers and exact dates were estimations from the testimony varied slightly. The movie showed that there were multiple chemicals for killing prisoners, ‘but they should only have used only one to be efficient’, so the whole holocaust is a lie. The bodies were POWs, clearly, as evidenced by… nothing. Oh, and the camps were havens for retreating germans, fleeing the combat areas in Western and Eastern Germany… and all those records of Jews, Romani and political dissidents- all made up. “I don’t know… Yeah, I think this video is a good example of critical thinking”- Jimmy Marr.

-In short, its all a conspiracy, a big jewish conspiracy- … riiight.

This is a load of ridiculous tripe, Gas chambers are still standing, incinerators are still standing, mass graves still piled with bodies. After months and years of trains and untold faces going to die, you lose count after several hundred thousand. Estimates will vary, the killing went on for a long time. it doesn’t make the killing anymore acceptable. The chemicals may have changed, because we don’t learn in school, how to kill; the Nazis made a science out it, with guess and check. It is my understanding that there was a process of transition- from guns, to gas vehicles to gas chambers and the specific chemicals are irrelevant! If they changed the method of killing, or used different methods at different times, then witnesses would see different things; but that does not change the deaths of millions or make them more tolerable. POWs in death camps? Really? They had prisoner camps, they didn’ t need the death camps to house prisoners. As to fleeing Germans, the local cities were not evacuated, there were civilians living in them, there was no great exodus and for the few who fled, why go to the death camps- no food, cramped and not a housing facility and there were german soldiers there, so the allies would be sure to target these places! The argument is absurd, that would be like running to jail to flee the cops. As to the made up records well, if you don’t believe birth certificates and the nazi lists of deceased, there is not much I can say, because you wont believe any evidence I present.

There are survivors today, people who saw the death camps. How is it you deny the collective reports of thousands, the admission of the nazis to the events which occurred and the vast record of deceased? The gravity of the situation is not a joke, the deaths are not acceptable, not then and not today. The Armenian genocide, Rwanda, India, Irish, Native American/First people, Bosnia and Herzegovina (Sarajevo), and others, do you deny these, the historical mass murder of the past? Do you deny Palestine or Darfur, or anywhere else today? These are not acceptable.

I am glad to report this long-standing hate group’s member ship seems in decline, I counted only 7 participants, including the presenter (Jimmy Marr) and sponsor (Orval Etter). 11 detractors were present.

Even better news, no presentation next week, they couldn’t find somebody to speak! Maybe they will decide to disband soon. One can only hope.